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The Wisconsin GOP just railroaded through their union busting bill.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/09/wisconsin.budget/?hpt=T1

I only hope it helps the recall efforts there.

Motherfuckers is right

Date: 2011-03-10 02:25 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We all need to work hard to punish those Bastards

Date: 2011-03-11 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusofevil.livejournal.com
Even if they recall him, won't it be too late? The union is busted and they'll be going after the pension fund next.

Date: 2011-03-11 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janradder.livejournal.com
It'll be too late to stop Walker from signing the legislation into law, but if they recall him and the GOP senators (or at least, enough of them), then they can reverse the law. There's also going to be a legal challenge by the Dems, as the way this was done may have violated Wisconsin's open meeting laws.

But if no one is recalled and the legislation is upheld in the court, I still think that this has damaged the GOP more in the long run. All along they contended that this was about balancing the budget. By taking out anything about the budget, there's no way they or anyone else can spin this into being about financial restraint when all the bill did was strip workers of their civil rights. And the way they did it in such a secretive, backdoor manner makes them look pretty bad. For now, the union is busted, but I can't imagine those workers and the people of Wisconsin (or the rest of the country, for that matter) won't remember this in the 2012 election next year. And if anything, this has really energized the left and mobilized organized labor in a way that hasn't happened since before the 80's (at least in my opinion).

Date: 2011-03-12 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusofevil.livejournal.com
Don't you think the people who voted Walker and the Republican Senators in are pleased with how things worked out? I don't hear a lot of GOP outcry or regret so I can't help but believe the population just regularly votes against its self interest out of unintended self hatred and pride.

Date: 2011-03-12 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janradder.livejournal.com
Actually, there have been quite a few Walker supporters who have denounced him, including business leaders in the state who have said he's not fit to lead because of the way he's handled this. And they don't necessarily disagree with what he did, but with how he did it. It's not getting reported a lot, but I have heard them. And there's still still a large number of pro-union folks who've voted Republican (like in Ohio, for instance) that are especially disturbed by this because they're realizing finally who the GOP really represents. I may be wrong, but I think this has the potential to be a watershed moment in our country's history (and a positive one for the left, at that).

Date: 2011-03-12 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janradder.livejournal.com
From what I've heard rom folks in Wisconsin, this seems to be a pretty prevalent point of view now, which makes me think that the Republicans might have screwed themselves on this one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/opinion/l12wisconsin.html?_r=1

Date: 2011-03-12 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniusofevil.livejournal.com
I didn't mean to ignore you, I've just been thinking about it. After the peace protests didn't work I really lost faith in the effectiveness of civil disobedience when those in power stand to make a ton of money by ignoring the will of the people.

It also made me realize how tightly people will cling to an idea that's bad for them because they have to much pride to admit they were wrong, or they get to put other people down through holding it.

How this plays out will either strengthen those views or make me reconsider them.

Date: 2011-03-12 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janradder.livejournal.com
No worries. A friend just linked to that letter this morning which was I added another reply.

I've felt incredibly cynical for some time now, and that feeling only increased after last November's election when the GOP took over so many seats and offices in spite of the fact that they were pushing the same policies and positions that got us into the financial mess we're in right now as a way to get out of them. I had completely lost faith in the people of this country. It will be interesting to see how this ends, but I have to say, seeing how people have reacted to this has really renewed my faith in our country. Maybe it all just dissipates and people go right back to watching TV and obsessing over Charlie Sheen, but for now I'm inspired and heartened (much in the same way I was when protestors in China took over Tiananmen Square, at least before the tanks began rolling).

Date: 2011-03-13 03:57 pm (UTC)

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